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On Wednesday, July 6th, 2022 at 12:23, Anders.Brunstad <Anders.Brunstad@protonmail.com> wrote:

Hi Ferdinand,

It is not ok to use vostok data and real recent observations in the same graph.
As the data sets are two really different.

The Vostok data fails to registrr short term movements.

Its leaky.

It was very low C02 following a cold period from 1300-1850. With minimum 1645-1710.

It was starting to rise in 1850: with a first top in 1942: and a new top 2010-2020.

We are back to Beck. (the data ranges from Ernst Beck proving as high C02 in 1942 as now).

It is forgery to use one type of dataset from Vostok, with known leakage issue, and to compare with short term data.

And to choose to not include huge data from Beck, which does not fit into the corrupted political correct Narrative supported by the False Flag C02 mafia.

Which is a Communist Conspiracy invented by KGB and Gorbatsjov back in 1984,
And pushed via UN fronted by Norwegian kGB operatives like Gro Harlem Brundtland,
Jens Stoltenberg, aka KGB Steklov, Støre, aka KGB Martin? And Stasi Offiser IM Erika,
More known as Angela DDR Merkel, now supported big time by the CCP, the biggest Coal burner by far.

Plus Gerhard Schroede, Olaf Scholz, all of them compromised.

Source:

https://www.gcint.org/who-we-are#History


The KGB’s “confidential contacts” in Norway uncovered by Butkov had attempted to portray their relations with the KGB as insignificant. Jagland said he was just doing his job, which meant regular contact with foreign embassy personnel, including Russians, and that he reported the contacts to the Labour Party leadership and intelligence officer Trond Johansen.

Thorbjørn Jagland’s relationship with the KGB started in the late 1970s-early 1980s, when he was the chairman of the Labour Party youth organization and was employed in the party secretariat, Norwegian press reported in August 1997. Then, the KGB gave him the codename “Yuriy.” These disclosures came from KGB defector and double agent Mikhail Butkov, a former KGB major who came to Oslo in 1989 and defected to Britain in 1991, and former KGB colonel, defector Oleg Gordievsky, who in the co-authored book “Blind mirror” published in 1997 said Mr. Jagland and Norwegian finance minister Jens Stoltenberg were both contact men for the KGB in the late 1970s. The term used for them was “confidential contact,” meaning they provided political information to the KGB operatives, but had not signed any sort of written contract.

Butkov was sent to Oslo to reestablish contacts severed following the major spy scandal in 1984 with the uncovering of Arne Treholt, a former Labour Party politician and diplomat convicted of high treason during the Cold War. It was Butkov who uncovered the politician behind the KGB codename “Steklov” – Jens Stoltenberg, who currently serves as Secretary General of NATO. Butkov’s discovery could very much have saved Stoltenberg’s career, as it led to the Norwegian security police warning Stoltenberg that what he perceived as regular political talks were in fact a carefully planned attempt to wrap the then upcoming Norwegian prime minister candidate into the KGB network. Stoltenberg said that after being informed of this, he broke of all contacts with the Russian diplomat.

In 1990, Butkov was tasked to establish contact with “Yuriy,” Thorbjørn Jagland, the then powerful secretary of the Labour Party.


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Recently, the communist leaders is taken over by Xi CCP

https://www.document.no/2022/07/05/kina ... a-i-norge/

The following is translated from Norwegian to English by Google Translate, from Alf R Jacobsen,
The best Intelligence Journalist current alive in Norway:

China's useful idiots in the West are also found in Norway
By: Alf R. Jacobsen July 5, 2022, 10:00 p.m.

China's hard-boiled communist veteran, Deputy Prime Minister Han Zheng, a member of the Politburo and President Xi Jinping's inner circle, is a man with many faces.

As head of the party's Hong Kong portfolio, he has brutally and effectively crushed the democracy movement and the free press, forcing critics to remain silent and filling prisons with the opposition of the Umbrella Revolution. As a caring family man, he has, with the help of the party cadres' corrupt network, secured the retreat with a black fortune estimated at between 200 million and three billion tax-free kroner in accounts in Australia and the USA in the names of his wife, mistress and children.

And as chairman of the China Council for International Cooperation on Environment and Development (CCICED), he is also the communist state's outgoing and modernizing green alibi, which according to the organization's purpose clause should work for "a more beautiful China and a greener and more generous world."

Love Norwegians

That may be why he and the rest of the communist elite have fallen in love with Norwegians, who hold two out of ten positions as Zheng's vice-chairmen, Kristin Halvorsen and Erik Solheim. This may of course be due to the fact that little Norway since its inception in 1992 has been among the leading contributors to the economic giant, which is still considered a developing country, with at least NOK 800 million in support in the last eight years alone.

Former Minister of Finance, SV chairman and leader of Cicero, Kristin Halvorsen, collaborates as one of two Norwegian vice chairmen in CCICED with Hong Kong's light extinguishers and prison director, the great communist Han Zheng, who according to opposition media has collected a billion fortune abroad. No one knows if or how much of the corruption money comes from the 800 million in development aid that Norway has given China in the last eight years. Photo: Magnus Fröderberg / norden.org / Wikimedia Commons.
Halvorsen took over as vice chairman of CCICED after Erna Solberg's suitcase bearer and climate minister Vidar Helgesen, who is best known for his disastrous attempt as a peace broker in Sri Lanka together with another politician with nine lives, Erik Solheim. From the fade in Sri Lanka, the detour went via the government to the position of director of the Nobel Foundation in Stockholm. Photo: Line Håland Aaltvedt / Norway's delegation to the EU / Wikimedia Commons.

From a more skeptical point of view, it may just as well be because Norwegians are among China's most useful idiots, cut straight from the textbooks of Leninist party tactics. In that case, it could explain that as many as three of Halvorsen's and Solheim's colleagues as vice-chairmen - Environment Minister Huang Runqiu, the ousted Environment Minister Zhou Shengxian and climate diplomat Xie Zhenhua - are all members of The Chinese People's Consultative Conference (CPPCC), which belongs to the United Front Work intelligence service. Ministry's network of influence and spy agencies. It is probably therefore a good thing that the two old party leaders in a number of meetings inside and outside the UN have experience of dealing with tyrants and corrupt heads of state of varying formats with silk gloves.

Former SV chairman Erik Solheim is probably one of the very few who have had to leave the UN, an organization with more tin pot dictators and soap makers than most, because the pile of bills for first-class flights became too large - with a CO2 footprint that probably will remain one of the great achievements of the UN. He led the peace talks disaster in Sri Lanka and is now one of China's loudest megaphones. Photo: © Harry Wad (CC-BY-SA 3.0).

Propaganda parrots

As China expert John Dotson of the Jamestown Foundation in the United States wrote in 2020:

"The CPPCC is in fact controlled and under the strict auspices of the party's United Front Work Department. The institutional architecture at the national and provincial levels allows its members to serve three purposes: a) to give the communist dictatorship a semblance of pluralism, b) to incorporate the social upper class and business elite into the pursuit of China's political goals, and c) to act as parrots of Communist Party propaganda. "

CCICED's chairman, Han Zheng, will meet Microsoft's Bill Gates in 2018. The Gates Foundation supports CCICED through the International Institute for Sustainable Development. Equinor, Hydro and Yara do the same through the World Business Council for Sustainable Development, and the Norwegian state through Norad and presumably the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The total amount, directly and indirectly, is not publicly known. Photo: CCICED.

Bloody story

After Mao Zedong's Cultural Revolution, carried out from 1966 to 1976 with a view to a lightning-fast change of society from the bottom up (a sort of Asian variant of the green shift), failed spectacularly and cost millions of lives, party veteran Deng Xiaoping taken from the shadows to clean up the disaster.

Deng threw Mao's wild ideas overboard and introduced a Chinese variant of the market economy, which flourished in the 1990s and after the year 2000.
I discovered a new China when I came to Beijing in 1997 ", wrote the Chinese businessman Desmond Shum in the autobiography Red Roulette from his exile in the West.

"Since Deng's reforms resumed in 1992, the economy had doubled, and it would double again by 2004. The country was flooded with rags-to-riches adventures, about momentary millionaires and financial transactions. Go-Go energy was contagious, and private property flourished. It looked like everyone wanted to be their own boss. The Chinese on the mainland had lived for decades under the forced poverty of communism. Now they had rediscovered money, property, cars and luxury goods, and did not look back. The party encouraged consumption, and offered the people an unwritten contract which was formulated by Deng as follows: It is glorious to get rich! The party's underlying meaning of the pact: Give up your freedom and we will make you rich. "
Some were still more alike than others…

All animals had become equal, but some were still more alike than others in Comrade Deng's philosophy. This was especially true of the descendants of the party veterans from Mao's revolutionary struggle against the nationalists from the late 1920s to 1949, the so-called baby princes, who race around Beijing in Rolls-Royce and Lamborghini, keep a stable of private jets and like champagne for 100,000 dollars per. bottle. They make a fortune selling names and compounds - like Hunter Biden - and especially like public monopolies.

"One of them was the son-in-law of Old Man Jia, a legendary smuggler off the coast of Hong Kong on an epic scale: thousands of cars, millions of cigarettes, liquor, beer and a sixth of China's oil consumption," Shum wrote.

Jia was under the protection of the Communist Party, was made mayor of Beijing in 1997 and later joined the Central Committee's Politburo. David Li's son-in-law's business was to turn the family name and family connections - known in China as guanxi - into hard cash. "

At a auction in Hong Kong in 2017, a bottle of Maotai produced in 1983-84 had a price estimate of 14,700 to 22,200 US dollars, around 150,000 to 225,000 kroner. Photo: HunagnTwuai / Wikimedia Commons.

The Maotai Club

The jewel in the crown was the private men's club The Moutai Club in Beijing, with all of China's hotshots as members. Comrade Li has gained control of a third of the import of the country's and communist veterans' national drink, the brutally strong Moutai spirit, which is burned by the Mhong people in the border areas between China, Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. His red goods bottle, Hong Mao, is guaranteed to be genuine and matured for ten years. The general off-the-shelf product for China's coolers and others with a strong need for fuel is pure moonshine mixed with a few drops of real goods. The best vintages of the original product are sold for almost one million kroner.

How did Communist Prince Li get the monopoly? Nobody knows, but it could of course be because Old Man Jia, in his time as head of the United Front Work Department, also oversaw China's minorities, to which the Mhong people belonged. It is hardly a coincidence that Jia escaped to Cambodia with a plane loaded with gold and cash when he fell into disfavor some time ago.

Precious bottled water

Deng Xiaoping's family acquired an equally lucrative jar of Sarepta when, after the turn of the millennium, they were granted the exclusive right to sell the Tibet 500 mineral water on China's high-speed trains. From 2008 to 2010, the Norwegian Railway Directorate bought 200 million bottles, bottled free of charge in Tibet. The value was enormous, and when the company was listed on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange in 2011, the shares were valued at NOK 15 billion.

"The Deng family has never commented on reports of their affiliation with the company," former stock analyst Shum wrote dryly.

For students of the Norwegian political landscape, a natural question may be: What type of guanxi is associated with the owners of Voss water, mainly the Brundtland family, if the bottled water from Agder is to survive under this type of competition?

The dream solution for the society of the future?

Western political dreamers, financiers, sociologists, baby princes like Hunter Biden, Bør Børsen types and bluffers of all kinds naturally embraced Deng Xiaoping's ideas as if Socrates, Marx and Jesus in one and the same figure had stepped out of the gunpowder smoke and corpses in Tiananmen Square , where several hundred peace-loving students in 1989 had camped and were mercilessly shot down on orders from the Communist Party's Politburo.

The Chinese mixed philosophy with a mixture of an authoritarian political system, a technocratic government based on talent and skill instead of corrupt friendships and family ties and a smart and partly regulated market economy could be the future model for a "better" world, and probably forms the basis for the minds of the masters of globalism, especially in the World Economic Forum (WEF), the multinational mammoth companies, including Big Tech and Big Pharma, which saw the market of dreams open - with critics locked up, customers disciplined and elite palaces surrounded by bayonets.

China went in the opposite direction

Desmond Shum, who lived in the Chinese cauldron of corruption and communist violence and terror for almost 30 years, has a completely different view:

"We had all thought that China was moving in the right direction," he wrote in Red Roulette as the party took control of the development of Beijing Airport, which he led. 'It made me disappointed and depressed. There was growing pressure to separate the Party from the state. People worked openly for reforms and a gradually freer press. None of us wanted to break with the party. We just wanted a more open system, and gave the party a gentle push. But after 2008, it became increasingly clear that the party was considering a mild push with acute unrest. We believed that our newly created wealth could give birth to social change. We were wrong. It's one of the saddest things I've ever experienced. "
Shum enumerated a number of explanatory elements, such as the Arab Spring and the color revolutions in Central Europe around 2010, which had frightened Beijing's Politburo. At the same time, they had analyzed the economic collapse in 2008 and concluded that China's system was superior to the US. In the South China Sea, ambitions grew with the development of new bases against US protests, which in turn reinforced an anti-American sentiment in the Communist Party.
To me, however, the most convincing argument for the Chinese dictatorship's dictatorial reversal is the very nature of communism. The party has an almost animalistic instinct aimed at oppression and control, which in turn is a fundamental dogma in any Leninist system.

When Deng took over the leadership in the late 1970s, the state was in fact bankrupt. The economic changes he pushed through were not based on a belief in capitalism and the market economy, but on sheer necessity. In order to survive at all, the party had to loosen its grip on the economy. After decades of great economic growth, the damage after Mao's experiments was repaired. The private sector was not as important, and the capitalists had become more of a political threat than an economic savior. The screw could be tightened again. "
Gloomy anniversary

On the occasion of the 25th anniversary of the takeover of Hong Kong from the United Kingdom on Friday, President Xi declared that the democracy movement in Hong Kong was being crushed for the good of society.

The party veteran Xi won the power struggle for the vacant post of Communist Party general secretary in the autumn of 2012, and became president the following year - a position that was made eternal in 2018, which means that Xi now acts as China's self-proclaimed emperor until he is carried out of the throne. A person who by Chinese standards is described as only moderately gifted, has proven to be totally ruthless and has through various campaigns - including against corruption - imprisoned and put out of play all rivals and opponents.

"In his speech, he defended Beijing's brutal crackdown that has silenced all opposition," the Daily Telegraph reported. "Camouflaged under the new Security Act of 2020, all protests, all free media and all political opposition have been effectively banned."

President Xi's speech in Hong Kong on Friday, on the 25th anniversary of the takeover from Britain in 1997, was broadcast on a big screen to the major cities in China. Photo: Mark Schiefelbein / AP / NTB.

Shum's comment is shorter and more direct:

"The so-called clean-up of the last three decades is a joke and a farce. Even if every single party member was put in irons, it would not have worked. There is not a single corrupt person in the entire Chinese Communist Party. "
So what should Norway and our large companies like Equinor, Hydro and Yara do? Continue to pump money into the homeland of corruption, act as useful idiots and propagandists for a heinous communist dictatorship - as we have done today?

For the sake of the green shift

When asked if she does not promote geopolitical ambitions in Beijing dictatorships that are disguised in nice green terms, Kristin Halvorsen's answer is as expected. The consideration for the green shift means that you have to close your eyes to everything. She says:

"We do not receive any compensation for our participation in CCICED. We participate in the work because they ask for input and views on climate and environmental issues. China's efforts in these areas are crucial for its own population, and not least for international climate and environmental work. We will not achieve the goals of the Paris Agreement if China does not succeed in its climate change, therefore it is important that we participate in CCICED. "
Perfect answer - for China

These are answers that fit China's global interests perfectly. The more billions we push into the green shift without goals and meaning, and along the way tear down the Armed Forces and the welfare state, the easier Xi's path to global hegemony under the iron heel of the communist dictatorship.

The intellectuals have not learned anything from history, which in turn shows how useful Lenin's idiots can be - to the other party.

The Conservatives' well-known globalist and former Minister of State Børge Brende was for two periods in the years 2002 to 2011 vice chairman of CCICED before he ended up as director of the World Economic Forum (WEF), except for a period as leader of the Norwegian Red Cross. Photo: Cancillería Argentina / Flickr / Wikimedia Commons.

Jan-Gunnar Winther, Director of the Center for the Sea and the Arctic at the University of Tromsø, was vice chairman of CCICED in the period 2011–2016 and has been one of the main authors behind the UN's controversial climate panel reports. His articles in northern Norwegian newspapers have a phrase level that can arouse serious concern, and his claim that the dry wind on Sunndalsøra with temperatures of more than 25 degrees was a sign of an imminent climate catastrophe, caused eyebrows to rise as much as sea level. most places. As everyone knows, dry winds in Sunndalen are as common as moderate talent among university researchers. Photo: Elin Vinje Jenssen / Flickr / Wikimedia Commons.

Kind regards

Anders

PS! Al Gore is also a Communist, like Obama, Merkel, Macron,

Or Globalist.

They are anti Christ, all .








On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 10:30, Ferdinand Engelbeen <ferdinand.engelbeen@telenet.be> wrote:
Dear Anders,

As I have said already, but repeat it here: CO2 lags temperature all over the past 420,000 years (even 800,000 years in the more recent Dome C record) with several hundred years when going from cold to warm and several thousand years when going from warm to cold.
That is proven and shows a ratio of about 8 ppmv/K over that period (which you don't like, thus forget?). That is for Antarctic temperatures. For global temperatures, that is about 16 ppmv/K or about what Henry's law dictates for the solubility of CO2 in seawater (which you don't accept, based on what?).

What is not plotted in the Vostok graph is the recent rise of CO2 to 415 ppmv in only 170 years, because the Vostok ice core resolution is only 600 years and has no recent datapoints less than hundreds of years back.
That is what Al Gore cleverly did show in his film: he added the recent CO2 data (but he didn't show that temperatures didn't rise accordingly)...
The 120 ppmv extra compared to the Vostok graph are real, as these are measured in all kinds of better resolution ice cores with extreme differences in local temperature and local snow accumulation:



But also in other indications like the delta-13C level, fast dropping together with human emissions:


And in stomata proxy data which prove, together with the other two measurements, that Beck's 1942 "peak" didn't exist:



Stomata data are calibrated against ice cores, firn and direct measurements over the past century. If there was an over 400 ppmv peak in 1942 (around 310-320 ppmv in this graph), then the SI (stomata index) would be below 5...

Thus two measurements and one proxy prove that in the past 170 years, CO2 leads temperature far beyond what Henry's law dictates. No matter what the correlation was in the previous 800,000 years, that correlation doesn't exist anymore for the current CO2 levels over the past 170 years.
If that will have much effect on temperature, that is a separate question and has nothing to do with this discussion.

BTW, even a positive feedback will not give a runaway effect, as long as the fortifying factor of both is below one. Here for a 10% response of CO2 on temperature and reverse, with a lag of CO2 after temperature:


Both end 21% higher than without feedback...

I think that the main problem in this discussion is that you take local or regional variations in CO2 level and temperature as being global. Even if Zharkova says that the global drop during the LIA was not more than 1.4 K and the coming solar mininum will be around 1 K, you still think that the temperature and CO2 swings were and will be much larger, based on local measurements...

For e.g. Giessen, that is completely unwarranted as the local CO2 levels are completely different from the "background" CO2 levels measured from near the North Pole (Barrow) via Mauna Loa to the South Pole on the same days:



Simply said: most of the data that the late Ernst Beck used were completely worthless for knowing the "background" CO2 levels in 95% of the atmosphere in that period...

Best regards,

Ferdinand

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Op 7/5/2022 om 7:06 PM schreef Anders.Brunstad:

hi

it is really not disputed that the C02 lags temp.

Meaning there is correlation.

and that temp is the driver, not C02.

The Vostok Ice Core and the 14,000 Year CO2 Time Lag | Energy Matters (euanmearns.com)